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Philips screw from lower outboard part removed, what now?

BertH

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Hi all,

Unfortunately I removed the philips screw in the lower part of my outboard (Evinrude 30 hp 1987). I read that it somehow connects to the gear and now I cannot just put it back, but I have to remove the propeller. Is that true? Or can I just put the screw back?

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Thanks for any help in advance!
 
The trick is getting it back through the hole in the lever inside. If you can do that, you are home free. If the holes are almost but not quite aligned well enough, grind or file a taper on the end of the pin and rotate it in the hole, hopefully aligning everything as you do.

EDIT: Is that your motor in the picture? It looks like you already got the pin in. If it shifts OK, you got it.
 
That is the pivot pin for the shifter fork.------Drain the oil.----Lay motor on it's side.-----Manipulate the shift lever gently.----When hole lines up install shifter pin.-----Test shift function.----Prop must be turns when shifting.----Cross your fingers.----Good luck.
 
I tried to pull / push the thing which is marked with a green arrow in the picture. It did work for a time (after I inserted the screw I think), but now it does not work anymore, it is stuck/fixed?

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Unfortunately I was not able to get the screw back into? So it was stuck / fixed and not possible to shift anymore. Then I removed the screw. I was not able to put it back into. I can now move the shaft marked with the green arrow in the picture before (pivot pin). Now it is even possible to take this out completely. However no chance to get the screw back into?

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How can I make this work again?
 
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I apologize for my not understanding. I am new to this topic of outboard repair. The pivot pin has no hole. I also tried to turn the propeller and hoped that then somehow I would be able to get the screw back into. I tried also to turn the pivot pin and each position try to get the screw back into. No chance.
 
I am not new at this !----The shifter fork inside the lower unit has a hole that the pivot pin must go into.----Did you line that up ,yes or no ?-----Perhaps it is time to run to a shop as it may save you grief and money in the long run !
 
I am not new at this !----The shifter fork inside the lower unit has a hole that the pivot pin must go into.----Did you line that up ,yes or no ?-----Perhaps it is time to run to a shop as it may save you grief and money in the long run !

Thanks for your fast answer. In this picture:

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the pivot pin is in. It is not possible to get it more into even further. So the pivot pin is in the hole in the lower unit?

If not: How should it be possible to get it into the hole of the shifter fork? How can I change the position of the hole in the shifter fork (in order to align it to be able to put the pivot pin into it from above), by rotating the propeller (did not change anything, I tried)?

Shop is unfortunately not an option. I really hope I can get it running with the help of this forum!
 
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Gotta move shift shaft up or down while looking for hole in shift fork, do final alignment while moving the fork through the hole...using a wire. I think you can get it. You might try doing the above procedure with the lower unit in different positions......using gravity as your helper.
 
Depends on how much he jimmied around with it, but it's looking like he's past the point of no return.
 
The pivot pin is the phillips screw.-----The shift rod is the part with the nut on the end.-----The shift fork is inside the lower unit.--------Move the shift rod up and down gently and you might see the wee hole in the shift fork.----Line it up so you can install the pivot pin.-----As stated you may need to look for a shop as mistakes do get expensive here.
 
First of all thanks to all of you for your help!

Especially thanks to racerone, fdrgator, timguy and bobbyc. I used a small screwdriver in order to align the hole and then I was able to get the philips screw back into. First I put the shift rod in and then with the screwdriver and gravity and a bit of shaking and so I got the philips screw in. Now it looks like this:

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However my problem now is the following:

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At the moment when I turn the shaft which can be seen (marked with a green arrow in the picture) then the propeller also turns. So there is a gear in. However the shift rod (marked with red arrow) is completely fixed / stuck. I cannot move it. So when I try to switch gear, it is not possible. Normally I think it should be possible to get into the status of idle running, so that when I turn the shaft manually the propeller is not moving. When I now reassemble everything it won't work I think, because then I cannot use the gearshift anymore? Or am I wrong? What is the problem here? Where is my mistake? Shouldn't I be able to move the shift rod with my fingers and to put a gear in and switch between forward, idle, and backward?
 
Shouldn't I be able to move the shift rod with my fingers and to put a gear in and switch between forward, idle, and backward?

Yes but with a bit of force as clutch has spring loaded detent balls....use a pair of pliers under coupling nut to pull up on rod.
 
When shifting as mentioned above, you may have to turn the driveshaft in order to help the gears line up with the shifting sleeve dogs. Always turn driveshaft clockwise looking from top. Reason? The water pump impeller fingers may get confused. I have replaced many, many impellers over the years where 1 or more fingers were facing the wrong way. This will result in inadequate water flow. I have many photos that I have taken for my customers over the years showing this condition. You can correct the fingers, if the impeller is fairly fresh it will likely not reverse fingers again, unless it is turned backwards again. Seems the quality of rubber/rubber composition has deteriorated over the years. Also engineers have reduced water pump diameters resulting in shorter fingers which are more tightly wrapped, forcing more action on the fingers as they come around to the"relaxed" side of their rotation. This coupled with poorer rubbers, ethanol contamination, and rotating the pump backwards.......is another example of today's "brilliant engineers". Newer powerhead designs have demanded higher water pressures and in some cases volumes. 10 years is often too long to ask for an impeller to last. I have the original impellers in many of my vintage OMC's. They still pump like gangbusters after 60 plus years. The impeller fingers are made of extremely high quality rubber and expertly bonded to the drive hub. The fingers are long and lazy, with a minimum of wrap or bend while passing by the pressure side of the pump chamber.
 
Thanks for your comments. I tried to turn the driveshaft while trying to get a gear in. Furthermore I partially reassembled the lower unit to the upper unit and connected the gear shaft. However it does not work. When lower and upper part are combined and I try to switch gear it does not work. The shift rod has a small way I can move it, however then it is stuck. No chance to switch gear.

Here are two pictures, showing the small difference which I can move the shift rod:

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@timguy regarding the impeller fingers: This is also a question I have, I asked it here: http://www.marineengine.com/boat-fo...alled-and-where-to-get-it&p=618084#post618084

Could you maybe answer my questions there (basically two questions: Are the impeller fingers correct like this or as you say do I have to change the direction? Furthermore is the impeller inserted correctly or is it upside down, so this affects the impeller key insertion, currently the opening for the impeller key is downside?) You seem to know where I don't know if I assembled the impeller correctly.
 
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Clockwise from top, you are backwards in these photos. See my post #13.......So sorry, brother. See Racer post #17. Probably 50 bucks minimum.
 
Unfortunately I do not have the option to go to a shop, since in the country (and region) I live there is simply no shop where I could get this fixed (there is only one shop near to me and they just sell new mercury and do not repair old evinrude). So I have to do it on my own.
 
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You have been getting very good help and information.----But you appear to be struggling with it !

Well.... yes and I am thankful for this. I tried to follow the steps I was told here. So I aligned the hole and inserted the screw again. However now there is this other problem / same problem / connected problem with the shift rod. I was able to put in a gear before, however now it is not possible anymore. I was able to get the philips screw back in again in the hole, however now I don't know why it is not working and what I have to do in order to get it working?
 
This requires an answer: Are you rotating the propeller as you attempt to snap the shift rod up or down? If you are and still can't move the shift rod, then it is not assembled correctly.

Just wondering, where are you located?
 
This requires an answer: Are you rotating the propeller as you attempt to snap the shift rod up or down? If you are and still can't move the shift rod, then it is not assembled correctly.

Thank you all for your comments! I now tried it again. I rotated the drive shaft, so then also the propeller rotates and while rotating the drive shaft I tried to snap the shift rod up or down. However it does not work. The shift rod is stuck. So I guess there is no way around of taking out the prop shaft.
 
look on the bright side.

You can take the opportunity of replacing the seals and inspecting the gears and clutch dog.
 
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