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Spark Plug Removal Help - 350 MAG

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I removed hinged engine cover deck support pistons and other equipment to get me to sit down on a moving packing pad a foot from engine (comfy). Now, please tell me how to change the plugs and wires I can only feel with one hand next to and a fraction of a inch below the exhaust manifold (stbd side only so far-next to trim pump). I have spark plug sockets with foam inserts but not sure they have [wall] clearance to fit even with elbow swivel below exhaust. A cooling hose hose also needs removal. ( Have not done anything yet.) Do I need to stop complaining and bite the bullet or a different tools set?

2004 220 Colbalt - MCM 350 MAG MPI
 
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Find a friendly machine shop or use a grinder , no inserts needed just a 6 inch extention. A trick for newbies is to chalk mark the position when you slide the socket on the old plug
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Thanks for tip, and I can grind my socket. I'm a newbie. Can you explain the chalk mark position idea. The sockets are 6 point - I don't know socket size of existing plug yet. MerCruiser suggests AC Platinum. I'm 99% sure they are original plugs.
 
5/8 ths
spark is spark mr43t or mr43lts Being its mostly done by feel you put the socket on the old plug and mark the location with chalk on the manifold..Load the new plug in the socket and install at the chalk mark
 
Oh Yes!! I understand now. Thank you for your reply

Finally,
1/4-1/2 turn past finger tight?
Anything on threads for next time?
Dielectric grease, used properly, on plug boot?
 
Personally, I find the swivel an annoyance. Its important to keep the socket straight and square otherwise you run the risk of breaking the insulator on the plug. On my 5.7L MIE I do just fine, with a bit of cursing and a skinned knuckle or two with a short straight extension on the wrench. What I do ( just me) is remove the socket with the attached extension from the wrench handle. "Load" the plug into the socket and grasping the end of the extension carefully feel my way with the plug into its hole. I then carefully start the plug into the tapped hole in the block being oh so careful not to cross thread it. For the first couple of turns, it should turn very easily. Then I attache the handle and tightened per instructions. Make sure you correctly gap the plugs first!!! ALSO.... be very careful, as its easy to reverse adjacent plug wires.

I don't put anything on the threads, or the boots.

re: "x" turns past finger tight..... I use a torque wrench at the published spec.
 
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Oh Yes!! I understand now. Thank you for your reply

Finally,
1/4-1/2 turn past finger tight?
Anything on threads for next time?
Dielectric grease, used properly, on plug boot?

If you are going to coat the threads with anything I would suggest copper based Anti-seize, use a finger tip dab one each and spread it on the threaded section ONLY.
Remember the threads are the ground path for the spark plug. No groundy no sparky
 
The plugs are a tapered seat design and its doubtful you will get even a 1/4 turn let alone a 1/2 turn
Just a firm hand is needed No pipes or breaker bars
 
From the NGK website... ( without permission but with my gratitude....)

[h=1]Spark Plug Installation[/h] Torque is one of the most critical aspects of spark plug installation. Torque directly affects the spark plug’s ability to transfer heat out of the combustion chamber. A spark plug that is under-torqued will not be fully seated on the cylinder head; hence, heat transfer will be slowed. This will tend to elevate combustion chamber temperatures to unsafe levels, and pre-ignition and detonation will usually follow. Serious engine damage is not far behind.

An over-torqued spark plug can suffer from severe stress to the metal shell which in turn can distort the spark plug's inner gas seals or even cause a hairline fracture to the spark plug's insulator...in either case, heat transfer can again be slowed and the above-mentioned conditions can occur.

The spark plug holes must always be cleaned prior to installation; otherwise, you may be torquing against dirt or debris and the spark plug may actually end up under-torqued, even though your torque wrench says otherwise. Of course, you should only install spark plugs in a cool engine, because metal expands when it's hot and installation may prove difficult. Proper torque specs for both aluminum and cast iron cylinder heads are listed below.

Spark Plug Type
Thread Diameter
Cast Iron Cylinder Head (lb-ft.)
Aluminum Cylinder Head (lb-ft.)
Flat seat type (with gasket)
18 ø mm
25.3~32.5
25.3~32.5
"
14 ø mm
18.0~25.3
18.0~21.6
"
12 ø mm
10.8~18.0
10.8~14.5
"
10 ø mm
7.2~10.8
7.2~8.7
"
8 ø mm
--
5.8~7.2
Conical seat type
(without gasket)

18 ø mm
14.5~21.6
14.5~21.6
Conical seat type
(without gasket)

14 ø mm
10.8~18.0
7.2~14.5


The "x" turn after... installation technique is listed for "Lawn and Garden Equipment"....
 
Capt Bob - thanks for the chart, but always refer to your manual, or get one. And always, always, always, know the torque units your working with. Meaning, is it pounds-per-inch (lbs-in) or lbs-ft that you torquing the item to? My manual(s) jumps between units depending on the item. Search the Internet to convert (conversion) between the torque value units, as necessary.
 
I am not sure about any of you............BUT,

I have never torqued a spark plug in my life..........especially on a mercruiser V6 or V8. Good luck with that!!

Second, when doing this activity for a living other than a good blast of compressed air at the spark plug area while spark plug is installed, Cleaning????
Again Good luck with that.

If you have the time to spend "cleaning and torquing" you are not very busy...........in real life there is not enough time for that kind of activity in a working and busy marine business.

For a single simple boat owner I would also say Good luck with that............How many have a torque wrench to begin with or a compressor to blow compressed air at the spark plug area?
 
Agree and BT Doctur comments apply above especially with tapered threads (they tighten right away )

As single simple boat owner, I don't clean or torque anything I can't see and I can't see my spark plug area. Now, if the engine was on a engine stand/crate on the shop floor, as a customer, I expect.....

Service Manual 31 (90-864260001, June 2003, page 4B-9 (applies to my boat)) states:
"IMPORTANT: Spark plugs should be torqued to the amount specified. In the absence of a torque wrench or access problems to the plugs, the spark plugs should be hand tightened until the plug seats on the cylinder head and then securely tightened with the appropriate ratchet and socket."

It also gives two torque values for new heads 22 (lb-ft) and used heads 132 (lb-in (11 lb-ft)) - notice almost half the value!

In my case, I will practice what is said under the condition "access problems." AND, I think we all are saying the same thing.
 
......For a single simple boat owner I would also say Good luck with that............How many have a torque wrench to begin with or a compressor to blow compressed air at the spark plug area?

I'm just a "simple boat owner", though most likely not a typical one. Been working on performance and marine engines most of my life as a passtime. Was taught by an old master mechanic who, after I broke the head off of the second bolt in a European sports car engine by hand (that he had to help me extract), with a normal 3/8" ratchet set said.... "Now are you going to be a grownup and buy a torque wrench?" I gave that wrench to my son ten years ago when he tried to convince me I was "getting too old to do that s$%t anymore". I smiled, gave him my wrench and bought myself another one. Old mechanic said... "Using the proper tools is the sign of a professional" Soooo... I'm just "very old school" and have the luxury of not being in a "working and busy... environment". I do my own work because I want everything done "just right" and I have the luxury of taking all the time I need to do just that. When I screw up... I fix it. I don't have a good batting average with the local marine mechanics in my area on the several occasions I've had to use them.

Re: cleaning spark plug holes..... a longish Q tip has always worked fine for me.... I could always bring that can of compressed "air" I use to clean my electronic stuff from home, but I always forget. I clean ALL threaded holes, not just spark plugs, before I run bolts back in them and if there is any sign of serious crap or corrosion, I use the proper size tap to chase the threads.
 
UPDATE

I replaced the spark plugs and wires last weekend on my 2004 350 MAG. I know this is a standard repair but I wanted to give some tips for anybody else doing this job. The forum been good to me providing information to perform this task. Keep in mind it's not the process of replacing the plugs, rather it’s the procedure for plug replacement. BTW- This is a fresh water boat and I understand what that means. Some tips follow:

1. Setup. Get conformable. Remove everything that makes sense to remove on the Port and STBD side of the engine so you have plenty of room. You need to have access. Take the time to do it!

2. 5/8” Socket. Modify a spark plug socket as BT Doctur states above (most important). Reason: the socket needs to fit normal to the plug. This means the socket has to fit square over the plug and not be off-center or cocked. The socket modification allows room for you to adjust the socket, as necessary, over the plug and adjust for any misalignment, i.e. normal to the surface of the plug. If you have a plug buried against the manifold, you cannot adjust the socket (buy a cheap wheel grinder someplace to grind the socket - you'll use again)

3. Socket Extension. I did it with a 3”- 3/8” socket extension + socket height. I wish I had a 4”-4.5” extension to clear the manifold so I could turn ratchet handle 360 degrees past manifold. HOWEVER, the longer the extension the more misalignment you introduce (no longer normal to the plug). Using double extensions (2 Extensions) may introduce too much wiggling.

4. Plugs. Gap and make the new plugs available to you. Reason: you need to grasp them with one arm. I shouldn’t have to tell you this, but remove one plug at a time.

5. Access Removals. On my engine, I had to disconnect a cooling water line that was in my way of the forward plugs. Suggest you disconnect the water line first and lit it drain and do the aft two plugs first. Then when you do the FWD plugs it only dripping - stick a rag in the hose outlet to keep things dry. Tie the lose end of the hose up out of the way (I use telephone ties). I add Vaseline to pipe connection to aid in hose re-installation – one hose clamp broke.

6. Plug Boot Removal. Maybe the toughest part of the job because you only have two fingers to do it. Rotate the boot 90 degrees each way first before you try remove. Reason: brakes any heat seal between boot and plug. Pull straight. A spark Plug boot puller tool may help too.

7. Plug Removal. After you get the socket over the plug keep the ratchet and the socket normal to the plug. Place one hand on the ratchet handle and the other over the head of the ratchet head to keep everything square (normal) to the plug just below the exhaust manifold. (I loosened the plugs without a persuader over the wrench handle – am not strong.)

8. Plug Removal. When the plug is loosen, I removed the plugs by hand. In one case, I unscrewed it with a 9’ socket extension (I put the socket between my knee pulled out the 3” extension and put in the 9”). ONE HAND IS ALWAYS ON THE PLUG or HOLE.

9. Plug Removed. The second most important thing. ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS keep one hand on the plug or the plug hole. Don’t lose the plug or plug hole, and you can look at the old removed plug later. Had had to get a flashlight when I took my hand off. Grap the new plug with your other hand.

10. Fingertip Distances (Horizontal & Vertical). This is sort-of difficult to describe and most important thing also. Measure distances with your fingertips. If you do this, it helps with reinstallation of the plug and boot. Measure the distance between the plug tip and the bottom of the exhaust manifold as you remove the plug. When you reinstall the plug, you maintain the same “fingertip” distance. When you reinstall the boot, measure with your fingertips the distance between the plug base and the edge of the boot over the plug, i.e. the plug boot seat (all the boots should have same plug seat - check).

11. Rag. Place rags under plugs so it catches the new plug if you drop it (doesn’t end up in bilge –happened to me once, BUT my bilge is dry.

12. Plug reinstallation. Use hand only to thread new spark plug – can’t stress this enough. Maintain the fingertip distances you noticed during removal. My threads where long, tapered, and took a while to thread- be patient. When the threads start and your tightening my hand you may have to wiggle the loose plug a little in the threads to get over high points in thread. For me, the plug stop immediately when they were fully threaded in plug hole (bottomed-out). I hand tighten them with my socket and 3” extension only and check fingertip distances.

13. Boot reinstallation. Easy, check distances

Hope this helps somebody. I probably forgot something. I installed a new wire set after the plugs where done.
 
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What the hell was Merc thinking when they designed these fool manifolds? Seriously. Another 1/8 th inch of clearance here would have made all the difference.

I'm ashamed of my fellow engineers when they make messes like this.

Jeff
 
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