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merc 350 engine noise help

Ive quickly flicked through this thread, Ive had a lot of boats come in that have a " Loss In power".... The usal result is the firing order and plug leads in wrong order.... have you rechecked all this?
 
since the timing chain was not installed correctly, this may mean that the valves got damaged/burnt . recheck for good compression . do the compression test.
 
I will go out Saturday and re=check the plug wires. Take my timing light (which does have the advance feature,the book just said its not reliable). Take a helper with me. And I will also do another compression test. Couple of dumb questions but wanna make sure its right.
1. my distributor has 2 sets of numbers (large and small numbers). I have been using the large numbers since it is a normal rotatation + correct?
2. If boat is in the lake, and I am suppose to be 32 before tdc at 3700rpm is it ok to do that in the lake?
and if i have to move the dist to make it the 32 btdc, and then at idle it is not at 8btdc..........whats the next step or problem?
 
I will go out Saturday and re=check the plug wires. Take my timing light (which does have the advance feature,the book just said its not reliable). Take a helper with me. And I will also do another compression test. Couple of dumb questions but wanna make sure its right.
1. my distributor has 2 sets of numbers (large and small numbers). I have been using the large numbers since it is a normal rotatation + correct?
2. If boat is in the lake, and I am suppose to be 32 before tdc at 3700rpm is it ok to do that in the lake?
and if i have to move the dist to make it the 32 btdc, and then at idle it is not at 8btdc..........whats the next step or problem?


It is possible since this noise acts up at the higher rpm this could be a bad distributor bearing.

when at the rpm of engine noises see that the timing mark stays stable. the advance to 32deg from the 8 deg should be 4 times the distance approx.
 
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OK folks, its 2 years later. I still do not have this boat working. summer is close by and I need guidance (help chief and other exp gurus).
last time I took the boat out i had re-done the timing chain sprockets. On the lake timing looked good, but go to give it gas and no power, not even close to a plain. But, no popping noise. I need to take the motor out and re-do the timing gasket and oil pan gasket.

So, here is my thoughts of how to procede. #1 fix gaskets (will have to take motor out anyway) #2 replace plugs #3 take fuel can with me for test run.

or? should I just take the motor to a pro and let them go through it? I want to be on the lake this summer.
 
" I turned the balancer to top dead center. I instaled the distrubutor with the top thingy pointed toward the number one cyclinder. lined up the top with the thingy and put the top back on. So I start the engine and it wont idle. "
Well, the thingy is not pointed to #1 cylinder. It`s located where #1 is on the dist cap. Starting from #1 on the cap and going clockwise is the firing order. 1,8,4,3,6,5,7,2. The balalncer is turned so that #1 cylinder is coming up on compression and you locate the timing pointer`s "0" to the line on the balancer.
 
...but go to give it gas and no power, not even close to a plain. But, no popping noise.

I reread all of the posts. A power loss can occur if the exhaust cannot get out fast enough due to a blockage in the exhaust stream. Take a look at both exhaust shutters and see if they are working properly. If one or both are missing they could have fallen into the Y pipe causing a restriction to exhaust flow.
 
" I turned the balancer to top dead center. I instaled the distrubutor with the top thingy pointed toward the number one cyclinder. lined up the top with the thingy and put the top back on. So I start the engine and it wont idle. "
Well, the thingy is not pointed to #1 cylinder. It`s located where #1 is on the dist cap. Starting from #1 on the cap and going clockwise is the firing order. 1,8,4,3,6,5,7,2. The balalncer is turned so that #1 cylinder is coming up on compression and you locate the timing pointer`s "0" to the line on the balancer.
LOL I know thingy is not a technical term. Lemme clarify in the point of a question. If the balancer mark is matched at zero on the timing pointer, and the #1 cyclinder is at top dead center. The distributor inside with the copper arm should be set pointing towards the #1 cyclinder. As well as the number one on the distributor cap pointed in the number one cyclinder direction. right?

part 2 question. each cyclinder plug (example cyclinder plug #3 connetcts to the #3 on the dist cap). Just to make sure I am clear...
 
balancer line is set to "0" on the timing tab with #1 ON IT`S COMPRESSION STROKE not exaust srtoke TDC
The rotor(thingy) may point in any direction, a knowledgeable mechanic will set it to #1 of the cap.
The cap /dist body can be pointed anywhere not actually at any particular piston.
Simply put, if you were to just drop a dist in place, the rotor will point someplace, that someplace is called #1 .
From that point going clockwise you install the plug wires to their respective plugs 1.8.4.3.6.5.7.2
PM`d my cell if you desire
 
Alright, engine is out of the boat. I bought a leak down tester from hf. all seemed good with the exception of cyclinder #7. It didnt actually leak down, however I could hear air moving. I took the oil fill cap off and could hear the leaking. So I guess I need to take the heads off and have them repaired by a machine shop. I am almost wondering if I shouldnt just take the whole motor and let them fix the heads. and then make sure it runs fine. Because I dont know how to start the engine outside of the boat......thoughts??
 
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Starting the motor out side the boat is easy.

1. purchase two switches, One a on/off, the other a momentary.

2. connect two of the switches together with a 16 g wire.
3. on the momentary switch connect a 16 g yellow wire ~ 4 ft long.
4. on the on/off switch connect a red 16 g wire to the same post that you connected the momentarty to.
5. on the on/off switch connect a purple wire to the open post 16 g ~ 4 ft long.


Now this is a "rig" that can be used to start your boat.

The red wire connects to the BATTERY. The yellow wire connect to the starter solenoid where the yellow with red connects now.
The purple wire connects to the + (plus) of the coil.

With the wires connected as described, turn the on/off switch ON, This will aplly power to the coil/ignition.
Activate the momentary switch and this should crank the starter. Once the motor fires (if it does) the release the momentary. If motor runs and you want to turn off the ignition just turn off the on/off switch.

Also you will need to connect a water supply to the incoming water hose and a gas line to the fuel pump.

See attached pic for wiring instructions.
 
I just redrew the remote switch set up so it will be easier to understand.

If you continue to have issues starting this motor you may want to SPEAK with someone here who may be able to ask specific questions and help.

One valve not seating quite rite would not stop a motor from starting. 7 other cyclinders would fire off......

Something else is going on here....



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Whoah, this is an old thread...... 04-05-2010, but looks like it's being resurected and continued.
Not sure exactly of what's going on to date, so if you would, help me out here!

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Not having the cylinder heads at least checked, was a mistake, IMO.

I think that the fuel pump issue (regarding it being a source of this noise) has been regarding the fuel pump push rod. This spring pressure must hold the fuel pump push rod against it's cam! This can create a noise if the pump's return spring pressure has failed.




Questions needing answers in order for this to be further discussed, IMO:
  • Please explain to us; "I took the block to a machine shop to polish"! (I don't quite understand that one)
  • Were the pistons re-used?
  • If so, were these checked at the wrist pin areas? (a cracked piston will produce a knocking sound, yet the engine may run at low speed w/ no issues)
  • Was the camshaft, and were the cam followers re-used?
  • Flat tappet or roller?
  • If re-used...., and if flat tappet....., did the followers end up on the same cams? (it will not be an issue with roller followers)
  • Any changes to date that would affect today's questions?
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Hydraulic cam followers (flat or roller) will have an internal plunger (aka piston) that is backed with a very light plunger spring, and a spring load against the check valve disc.
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If any of these have failed, the hydraulic principle may be disrupted. It would then be near impossible to adjust. The result would be an incorrectly operating valve that would also be noisy.
Any GM hydraulic cam follower can be disassembled. Parts can be checked and cleaned. It is very time consuming!
Here is an interesting video of a working cam follower. Watch as the oil system becomes "primed" (shown in yellow) and the hydraulic principle is displayed.


I'll appologize for any redundancy.... not sure what's going on today!

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Chief maybe I should borrow kghost picture to help resurect heh,heh. Ok lemme give a new brief synopsis starting with what was done and not done. Lemme also say the noise is gone it was the timing chain not lined up perfect.

engine was replaced with merc reman (not by me) but the ex manifolds were not changed (and they leaked) bummer hard lesson. only one day on the lake at end of summer/fall basically 4 or 5 hours tops on the engine. drained winterized stored...

1. engine had water over winter (yes it was drained but didnt know the ex manifolds leaked)
2. took engine out, apart, had the block cyclinder walls polished to remove any rust or pitting etc. also had new cam shaft bearings installed (book said so) replaced lifters later on. camshaft was fine and not marrred etc. (flat tapet lifters)
3. Did nothing to the heads valves etc.
4. piston pins, piston themself, wrist pins and piston rings all fine. push rods all fine.
5. checked compression all cyclinder were 149 (per chief alan)
** fast forward to last summer. replaced manifolds, then fixed timing chain, rolled onto lake and no high rpm power. timing was also set and double checked on the lake**
5. so I am thinking its the valve train since i did nothing. 3/2 bought leakdown tester and tested all cyclinders at tdc
6. results of test. compressor at 100, cylinder tdc, screwed in hose, turned tester until the 0 mark, then connect to the hose. It ran all the way to 100 percent leak (however no more air coming out!!! seemes wrong)
I love my boat LOL,,,,,ok waiting for thoughts and direction....kghost thanks for the wiring diagram
 
p.s. just went and tried again. turn the tester (unhooked from cyclinder hose) to the 0 or set mark. then plug it into the cyclinder hose and both needles go flat. I then tried the same thing with a tire pressure attachment, same thing. so i think this cheap thing is broke. unless i just cannot wrap my head around the concept. I watched 2 you tube video of people using the same one. theres didnt have that problem.
 
ok returned and ran the following results. p.s. my oil pan gasket needs to be replaced so air is leaking out. (hmmmmm)
1. 60% leak through exhaust 3. 25% 5. 30% 7. 30% (all 3 through oil pan gasket)
2. 22% 4. 20% 6. 24% 8. 20% (all leaking through oil pan gasket)

help!!!!!!!!!!!
 
I, like many others, have listened to the engine in the video and I would be inclined to lean towards a piston / rod issue. That noise is a distinct engine knock and indicates something bad is happening in there. Perhaps a busted piston skirt. Piston / rod issues usually show up other than very low RPM. With RPM up and very little load on engine, like backing off on throttle, it's usually a rod bearing / wrist pin. RPM up and load on engine, then usually piston skirt / piston slap. Whichever it is, I would be pulling engine and checking it out and maybe rebuild it while it has a good block / crank / heads, before it grenades and turns everything into a door stop / flower planter / mooring anchor.
 
First off what a leak down test does needs to be explained.

One cylinder at a time, with the piston at TDC and BOTH valves CLOSED. you introduce air thru the spark plug hole.

From what I have read (as I have never done this myself) you should see less than 5% of total air pressure loss in 3-5 minutes.

I am not sure how much pressure to introduce into the cyclinder but too much is as bad as too little.

So what you need is to have a threaded fitting that screws into the spark plug hole, a guage attached to the threaded fitting, a shut off valve attached to the guage and then the shut off valve attached to the air supply.

If you are perfoming this correctly and you are seeping out the oil pan gasket then your RINGS are bad, or your cyclinder walls are shot or both.

Very important here. You can not do a leak down test until the rings are broken in and seated to the cylinder walls..........

Forget this leak down test for now and do a compression check and report results........

Doing a leak down test is typically done by proffessionals when trouble shooting ring sealing issues..........it is when peak performance is trying to be accomplished. Not a good check for amatures who have unknown problems..........

YOU HAVE SOME WIERD STUFF GOING ON AND YOU NEED TO STEP BACK AND TAKE BABY STEPS TO FIGURE IT OUT..................
 
I know that leaking from the oil pan means worn or burnt rings. could it be giving false readings since the engine and weather are cold? I cannot do a compression until I fix the oil/timing gaskets. I do not want to fix the gasket if I am going to have to dissasemble the motor again. At this point I am thinking I will just have to plan on taking her apart this weekend.....
 
Dan

105 more posts and you will beat my record........

Leak down test indicating air going into crankcase, does not mean your rings are gone. it means air is getting past you pistons, during a leak down test. thats all it means. all cylinders leak, via ring end gap and blow by, how much they leak, is another matter.

I cant understand why you are using a leak down tester, after your compression tests were near perfect. A leak down tester should only be used to help determine the cause of low or no compression. (rings, inlet or ex valves) If you have good compression, then leave the leak down tester in the the toolbox.

also cant understand why oil leaks from you crankcase gasket during leak down test. surely your crankcase is vented? are you saying the sump is being pressurised? not possible. you must have one massive fault with that gasket......

Why cant you do another comp test without gaskets? just spin it on starter motor, you dont even need oil in it, for quick test......

as many others said, please repeaat the comp test.

I reallly think you should do more testing before you strip down that engine.

Anyway............

seems to me, the issue in your first post, banging noise, is now solved by aligning cam shaft correctly. correct?

if so, what was banging? pistons against valves? (ugly thought)

Issue now is bad performance after re-assembly, assuming no internal damage from cam issue.

ive read all your posts, I dont think you have stripped the engine after you fixed the cam issue?

think about what may have gone wrong during re-assembly.

Inlet manifold or carb gasket leaking, bad vacuum? get vac gauge and test..

Has you harmonic balancer slipped, mark is no longer at TDC? stick sumtim into #1 plug hole and confirm mark at 0 deg when #1 @TDC.

one dodgy wire from dissy trigger to coil can cause the lack of power problem you described.........ive seen it....

just for the record i think your problem is vacuum or ignition related (timing or faulty part or wire)


1. engine had water over winter (yes it was drained but didnt know the ex manifolds leaked) ARE YOU SAYING WATER DRAINED OUT OF THE THE EX MANIFOLDS, WENT INTO THE EXHAUST PORTS, AND INTO THE CYLINDERS? SO YOU HAD STUCK RINGS AND RUSTY BORES?

2. took engine out, apart, had the block cyclinder walls polished to remove any rust or pitting etc. also had new cam shaft bearings installed (book said so) replaced lifters later on. camshaft was fine and not marrred etc. (flat tapet lifters) I FINALLY UNDERSTAND THE POLISHING THING. I HAD VISIONS OF SOME GUY GOING AT YOUR BLOCK WITH TURTLE WAX........YOU MEAN HONED CYLINDERS! CORRECT?

3. Did nothing to the heads valves etc. AS THIS ENGINE IS FAIRLY NEW SINCE MERC REMANUFACTURING 2 SEASONS AGO, HEADS SHOULD HAVE BEEN OK, UNLESS OF COURSE WATER HAD LOCKED UP AN EXHAUST VALVE, YOU SHOULD HAVE AT LEAST COMPRESSED EACH VALVE TO CHECK FOR FREE MOVEMENT......

4. piston pins, piston themself, wrist pins and piston rings all fine. push rods all fine. ARE THEY STILL FINE AFTER RUNNING ENGINE WITH CAM SHAFT INSTALLED INCORRECTLY? COULD THE NOISE HAVE BEEN PISTONS AND VALVES MAKING CONTACT, AT HIGHER RPM, DUE TO LONGER LINEAR MOVEMENT OF VALVE AT HIGHER RPMS?

5. checked compression all cyclinder were 149 (per chief alan)
** fast forward to last summer. replaced manifolds, then fixed timing chain, rolled onto lake and no high rpm power. timing was also set and double checked on the lake** DID YOU HAVE GOOD COMP BEFORE AND AFTER RE-FITTING CAMSHAFT?

5. so I am thinking its the valve train since i did nothing. 3/2 bought leakdown tester and tested all cyclinders at tdc IF COMP STILL GOOD, FINGERS CROSSED, NO BENT VALVES.

6. results of test. compressor at 100 (PSI?), cylinder tdc, screwed in hose, turned tester until the 0 mark, then connect to the hose. It ran all the way to 100 percent leak (however no more air coming out!!! seemes wrong) I HAVE A LEAKDOWN TESTER, I USE IT TO DIAGNOSE CAUSE OF DAMAGE AFTER LOW COMP TEST.....SO, IF YOU WERE AT 0% (gauge at full pressure /deflection) BEFORE CONNECT, AND WENT TO 100% AFTER CONNECT zero pressure / no deflection), WITHOUT TURNING THE REGULATOR, YOU ARE USING YOUR TESTER CORRECTLY AND YOUR CYLINDERS ARE LEAKING LIKE SIEVE. WERE YOU ON THE COMPRESSION STROKE? somtin wrong with the tester or supply pressure?
I love my boat LOL,,,,,ok waiting for thoughts and direction....kghost thanks for the wiring diagram

oops, sorry just realised my CAPS LK, sorry for shouting.....

Question for everybody; In this model of 350 SBC, can a piston make contact with a valve if cam shaft out a few teeth?

Will the piston valve relief cut outs prevent contact from happening?

Ricardo, could this happen with Quench effect pistons?;)
 
Leaking oil from oil pan = bad oil pan gasket, a rust hole in the pan and / or crankshaft seals are bad. That's all it means and has nothing to do with engine internals UNLESS the breather is plugged solid (which I highly doubt as it is a 1/2" hose going from a valve cover to the air cleaner) and excessive ring blowby is pressurizing the crankcase, blowing out the gasket and crank seals. In that case, again, it's rebuild time. If engine is running and you see vapor / smoke coming from out the vent hose when you disconnect it from air cleaner, vent is not clogged (provided there is no PCV). One question, is there a PCV halve on that engine? And if so, have you done a rudimentry PCV test? IE: pull it out and shake it. Put finger over hole and see if there is suction?
 
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There is NO pvc on a marine engine that I am aware of or ever seen. It is a hollow part and it looks like a pvc used on automotive but it is hollow!!! Just lets the pressure out and there is one on each side with hoses that direct the ventilation to the flame arrestor.

Unless he plugged the holes for testing there should be NO issue.

"I think what we have here is a failure to communicate"..........lol

I also suspect (with no mal intent) we have someone who needs some special guidence and possibly some hands on experience with the motor and all its components....

The fact the timing chain was incorrectly installed says a lot......there needs to be a fresh start from some ZERO point.

Even a motor with little compression if all else is good will start. It may not be pretty but it will run.

He needs to make sure his valve trian is not STUCK, his timing is correct, his wiring is correct, his fuel is correct.

If all this is done correctly it should fire!!!
 
oops, sorry just realised my CAPS LK, sorry for shouting.....
Mistake? Hmmmm. LOL

Question for everybody; In this model of 350 SBC, can a piston make contact with a valve if cam shaft out a few teeth?
Unlikely if off by one tooth only, IMO.

Ricardo, could this happen with Quench effect pistons?;)
I'll take it that you are kidding..... but in response:
No more likely than with any piston. A Q/E style piston should offer the same relief clearance. The only area that actually changes, would be the area that comes up under the wedge of the cylinder head.
A Flat Top piston, for example, can offer a Q/E when the deck clearance is correct, and correct head gasket is used. This should not create any change to valve relief.
BTW/FYI....., the F/T should NOT be used with the small chamber cylinder heads for marine use.... Period!

There is NO pvc on a marine engine that I am aware of or ever seen. It is a hollow part and it looks like a pvc used on automotive but it is hollow!!! Just lets the pressure out and there is one on each side with hoses that direct the ventilation to the flame arrestor.
This just came up on the BOC forum. Apparently Merc does use a PCV Valve on several engines. Why????...... I don't know! It is unnecessary, IMO.


"I think what we have here is a failure to communicate"..........lol
I also suspect (with no mal intent) we have someone who needs some special guidence and possibly some hands on experience with the motor and all its components....
Amen!

I too think that he needs to go back to the drawing board, and begin fresh.
Sump'n just aint right here.

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"""This just came up on the BOC forum. Apparently Merc does use a PCV Valve on several engines. Why????...... I don't know! It is unnecessary, IMO."""

There may be some used but I would suspect it is mandated in a area such as CALIFORNIA with more smog regulations than carter has pills............

Maybe on high performance??? Maybe on some of the newer EFI's? Maybe some new "regulations"???

WHo knows......I like the mid 80's to mid 90's boats.......so F'N simple!!!

OUT!
 
Ok time to help my gurus understand some of your questions :) and I do appreciate the help.....
1. motor compression after the rebuild was fine 140-150 all cyclinders
2. originally the exhaust manifold leaked water into the engine. (milky oil) when i winterized,I didnt know it leaked. when i tryed to start motor was locked up. when i pulled the plugs, water came out of the spark plug hole. (this is why i took it apart and had the cyclinders bored( polished sounds ***ier LOL)
3. OK the noise was actually backfiring from the carb (mechanic said it was most likely the camshaft). well i took the camshaft out to replace with a new one. but the original was just fine. After having the backfire noise still, I spoke with mechanic and he said maybe my timing chain was off by a tooth or 2. So i removed balancer,pump,timing cover and rotated #1 to tdc. Low and behold it was off by 2 teeth (not lined up). So i fixed that and got it lined up perfectly. like a dumb ass I didnt want to pull engine, so i kinda forced the timing cover and gasket into the slot (I know dumb ass). That is why I do not have a good seal on the timing cover!!!
4. I got the leakdown tester to see if any of the valves were stuck since I did nothing to them, presuming they might have had a little water in them. when I showed the heads to the machine shop, the guy said they looked fine. but he did not do any type of test on them. (wont use them again).

OK, so following the suggestions. I will do a compression test sunday after i make a starter switch. Can i just start the motor (with bad gasket). And let it warm up for about 1 minute without water running??? And then do the test.

or do i need to fix the gasket first, and also run water???
 
Fix the gasket...........if it is the one for the timing chain cover to oil pan,

dont ask me how I know this.............
 
This thread is beginning to look like a run-a-way train. Can you imagine a new-comer reading this from a year ago, and then trying to play "catch-up" today?
I'm wondering if it would serve Dan (the OP) and the group here, if a new thread were to be started?

Begin fresh..... clean up the original information making it more accurate and detailed!
Include all that you can regarding the engine build.
Carb or FI, type of Ignition system (pretty sure this is M/C TB), etc.
Stay on task using the correct engine terminology, etc! ( polishing cyliners just doesn't cut it! )
Bring everyone up to speed on where we are today!

Just a suggestion!

Dan, a good P of E (process of elimination) must be done methodically and systematically, going down a well planned list........ one item at a time ONLY! If we do 3, 4, 5 items at a time, we'll never know which item rendered any results.

And I'd use caution when being advised. To me, it sounds like some of the info that you are receiving locally, is somewhat off base.



Has you harmonic balancer slipped, mark is no longer at TDC? stick sumtim into #1 plug hole and confirm mark at 0 deg when #1 @TDC.
Again, this would be important to check, but NOT using that method!
The entire purpose of an accurate TDC marking, is to identify where our very critical Ignition timing is! This is MARINE Ignition timing....... not car/truck!
The camshaft (via the sprockets and sprocket markings) pretty much take care of themselves, when indexed correctly.
I've already commented on the PPS method for locating TDC...... that would be advisable, IMO.
Your call!

Buy or borrow a light with an advance feature
Find a timing light that has an adjusteble scale My sears timing light has a knob on the end that you can adjust for that purpose
In addressing both quotes above:
Great for today's automotive...... but I'd strongly encourage the use of a standard strobe type timing light, and mark off your balancer up to approx 35*.
There is NO room for error when Setting/Checking Gasoline Marine Engine TA...... NONE! Several degrees off, and we can easily create a Detonation scenario.

For ME, I want to see this in "Real Degrees" and in "Real Time".
Your Call on that! :)

1. my distributor has 2 sets of numbers (large and small numbers). I have been using the large numbers since it is a normal rotatation + correct?
2. If boat is in the lake, and I am suppose to be 32 before tdc at 3700rpm is it ok to do that in the lake?
3. and if i have to move the dist to make it the 32 btdc, and then at idle it is not at 8btdc..........whats the next step or problem?
1. Please explain this. You have the M/C TB EST Ignition system, correct? Yes.... it will be CW rotation, as are all of these!

2. If M/C TB EST, you must use the OEM procedure while in BASE mode. You set BASE advance by changing the orientation of the distributor housing. The module supplies advance past BASE.

3. If static (low rpm) BASE advance, and dynamic Total Avance do not offer the correct numbers........ then your module may be incorrect for this engine.

Ok time to help my gurus understand some of your questions :) and I do appreciate the help.....
1. motor compression after the rebuild was fine 140-150 all cyclinders
2. originally the exhaust manifold leaked water into the engine. (milky oil) when i winterized, I didnt know it leaked. when i tryed to start motor was locked up.
3. OK the noise was actually backfiring from the carb (mechanic said it was most likely the camshaft). well i took the camshaft out to replace with a new one. but the original was just fine. After having the backfire noise still, I spoke with mechanic and he said maybe my timing chain was off by a tooth or 2. So i removed balancer,pump,timing cover and rotated #1 to tdc. Low and behold it was off by 2 teeth (not lined up). So i fixed that and got it lined up perfectly. like a dumb ass I didnt want to pull engine, so i kinda forced the timing cover and gasket into the slot (I know dumb ass). That is why I do not have a good seal on the timing cover!!!
4. I got the leakdown tester to see if any of the valves were stuck since I did nothing to them, presuming they might have had a little water in them. when I showed the heads to the machine shop, the guy said they looked fine. but he did not do any type of test on them. (wont use them again).

OK, so following the suggestions. I will do a compression test sunday after i make a starter switch. Can i just start the motor (with bad gasket).
And let it warm up for about 1 minute without water running??? And then do the test.

or do i need to fix the gasket first, and also run water???
Wow.... lots of concerns here. Not sure where to begin!

A quick, yet unsolicited, synopsis re; winterizing for future:
Each winter when I winterize my own, or a customer's boat, (and these are primarily V/P) I'll make engine fogging last on my list. Just prior to this, I remove the sea water pump impeller.
This kills two birds for me;
1.... the impeller is out of the housing for the winter, and will not take a "set" during the off season, whereas it will if left inside of the pump housing!
2... I can perform a very short engine "dry-start" during my fogging procedure (takes only 8-10 seconds to properly fog a Carbureted Engine).

This insures that NO residual water is left in the exhaust system to be afforded the oportunity of making it's way into an open exhaust port...... of which is what locked up your engine.
A dry start of only 8-10 seconds will not harm one item.
This is not speculation...... I've been doing this for years! Not one issue to date!

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As for the 1 minute without water above..... you would need to be fully aware of any potentials when introducing cold water into a warm engine that has had 1 minute without water!
8-10 seconds would be OK. But 1 minute???? NO...... I would NOT do this!


Pretty sure that it would best serve you to start a fresh thread.
I'm sorta done on this one.... just getting a bit too crazy here for me! :D

Good luck.
 
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